Walnut solid shells on Ebay.. 2 days left.

[vinnieL]

Cuco those are strong statements. Is it possible for you to inform us as to who you really are? Who have you played with? And I'm not talking about local jams or small gigs. The way you talk I'm guessing you played with the likes of Machito,Puente and Tito Rodriguez. I'm sure you are a true professional with a serious musical background.

[FidelsEyeglasses]

reydeltimbale wrote:

Hola Markito
Don't misunderstand it's a huge deduction it may not mean a lot to you but to musician that live off music that a big plus all broadway musicians they by sticks they claim them skin are all deductable, This why us Latin musician are in dump they don't take advantage of what they have.
ok on zebra wood bongo I agree with you if interested in lP

Dario info yes wrong 100 pairs for the intire US, Canada and Puerto Rico were Lp sells just think when I work at casa latina in new york I sold over 100 of those sets . Martin Cohen is off his rocker recently I ask him that I need a set of rims for a set of timbales made by him on his first edition of timbales he told me I never made rim that I was look for, he argued and told me that I was crazzy he never made such rim .I went to a record shop purchused the palante album by TP and sent it to him ' his responce 3 days later I did not remember of that he sent me rims and gave me a set of bongos that he was sorry how you like that.

copys have you ever seen a vergara bongos in it original state what it look like played it

Junior bongos I can get you as many as you want Junior yes died but his heritage continues on a relative is still making bongos in NY and is putting Junior lables on drum and selling them very expensive but hes get the money you want one I will get for you.
If you were at wake for junior I was there maybe we saw each other it was a nice wake.
Jay he works well but he learn a lot from Junior . Junior us to leave shop because he did not want jay to know to many secrets

I don't implied that you say anything wrong but to give you an idea of what is going on the rims were or are what is called brushed chrome the don't have that shine of chrome the will never get rust .what kind of rims were on the original Vergaras there was no chrome made of aluminum and were painted in black.do you also know that lp bases were made in the bronx hunts point the second edition shells were made in NJ by an old man the made pillones then martin took to Thialand all done from part made from different people.

just like Frankenstein made of parts,it's all about Money if you have and you like something buy it don't be cheap to your self and don't let anyone dictate what to but and what not to buy that the the key of it all .

it says you are in NY were in NY let me know next time I will take a set of Vergara to NY so you can show me resemblance of Junior
take care

'Reydeltimbale', I enjoy posting with you because we are able to "discuss" and not 'argue", not always easy to do in "interest groups/boards" on the internet.
I would be happy to see the set of Vergara's next time you come to N.Y.
Please feel free to get in touch when you know you might come.
So we were both at Juniors wake... we probably played together there?
I have actually forgotten who was there other than José ("Apache"), my friend Max and 'J.C.R. Isaac'.
I do remember a very "small" pair of light colored wood bongoes there made by Junior that were amazing.

Re: un-chromed hardware, I believe that Moperc makes the same (or similar) un-chromed "brushed stainless steel" hardware.
I had a student 6 years ago who bought a pair (Moperc) on Ebay, he brought them to show me, the hardware was very "clean" looking, but I (personally) like the way chromed hardware looks.
Also the Moperc bongoes weighed a ton!... the heaviest bongoes I ever encountered in my life!

My instrument "collecting" days are pretty much over as I have all I need at this point in my life.
(over have a century)

I started coming to this board about a year ago, only because I'm able to see the many nice photo's in Dario posts.
I'm really not a fan of "internet interest groups/boards" as sooner or later people eventually start arguing and/or insulting each other. Though I find 'Congaplace.com' to be cool.

ReyDelT., let me know about 'Daniel Vázquez' and what years he was supposed to have played with 'La Gloria Matancera' when you find out. That to me is more interesting than what bongoes y tumbas sell for on Ebay.
No rush!

Paz,
Markito / N.Y.C.

[Tonio]

With all due respect,stainless steel hardware by Michel (Moperc) is not brushed at all. It is stainless steel hand formed, the actual abrasive manipulation of stainless steel makes the integrity much stronger than ordinary steel. Most steel is covered with chrome to prevent rust, and its nice and shiny.
The stainless steel stock for the crown skin hoop etc is formed by manual rolling machines-hand cranked (see Matt Smith 's -Ritmo) rolling the timbales shells via automation. Michel is born a steel worker (from his father). Then it is processed from rough to smooth filing by hand-much like wood you sand w/ rough grit then finer and finer grit. That is why it appears "brushed" ,and does not need a coating. No, its not like your garden variety silverware (to eat with). Some use of the internet may help you learn a little about the use of stainless steel and its virtues. Michel mainly adopted the use of SS for Cubans and the plague of moisture.

Yes, Moperc bongos are heavy as king kong. No where near Vergara or SOS. But they are the loudest , most sound projecting bongos I know.

Moperc congas , however are something else. His prime is in his past due to not being able to source mahogany and longer. Not even maple(in canada? the horror) either. However the design and style is to be admired. He just needs to consider the traditional way more than modern with the crown and skin. But then again the "pros" use LP LOL That would be another topic entirely.

But then again Jay is the only one that has the traditional choke configuration of the skin/crown vs shell gap.

respectfully,

T

FYI, I am no way have any association with Moperc.

[FidelsEyeglasses]

Yes, Moperc bongos are heavy as king kong. No where near Vergara or SOS. But they are the loudest , most sound projecting bongos I know.

Thanks 'Tonio' for the info, all points well made and enlightening to me.
"Personally" (one of my favorite words), I think if I played three 45 minute "dance sets" in a club using a pair of Moperc bongoes between my legs.... I'd have to be taken home in a wheel chair at the end of the gig.
Most of the "band" work I choose to do now is with a quintet, which on occasion plays as a quartet.
Playing very typical Cuban Son, Son Montuno, Guaracha, Bolero and Cha cha chá.
(tres, bass, tumbadora, bongoes, one trombone or alternatively one trumpet, a singer who plays clave/güiro/maraca and no piano or timbale player)
I don't do typical New York City "Salsa" gigs, where I'm up against a loud blasting horn section and timbale player.
Here in N.Y.C. the playing "style and attitude" is usually very LOUD and IN YOUR FACE.
(not to mention the persons in charge of the sound boards are out of control at most clubs)

This doesn't mean that the band I play with is so quiet that we can only do a gig in the public library.
I don't need an instrument "built with a loudness factor" involved.
Loudness and projection are executed through (my) technique and "turning on the juice" when needed.
I also have never in my life had to put tape all over a cow bell.. the loudness/projection is controlled by my left hand and fingers. In all my trips to Cuba... I have never once seen a player with a "taped up" bell. (unless it was cracked)

Basically, I am in "no way" saying Moperc sucks nor anything disparaging about 'Michel Ouellet', I am saying that I "personally" don't care for what I consider to be relatively expensive "designer" drums that look like a 'Rolls Royce' to me.
I'm very happy if that's what another player may want.

Hey, I heard some good things about the music scene in San Diego just this morning from a friend.

Markito

This was a gig I did a few weeks ago in Queens for an independent movie premiere.
The band as a quartet. (bass, bongoes, tres, singer/Güiro/clave/maraca)

[RitmoBoricua]

Faustino,

Hello. I have (2) set of them bongos home that I bought off ebay and I did not payed more than $140.00 including shipping for both. My bongos’ shells look exactly like the set you have on ebay and to my knowledge they are mahogany and not walnut. The figure in the wood of them shells suggest mahogany all the way not walnut. My question for you: “Does Walnut trees grow in the tropics, specifically Dominican Republic? It seems to me that’s the same set you had at different times on ebay throughout the year and also the same set you have photos posted on your “myspace “ and them photos have been posted for a good while.

As far as professional. I am very professional and I have job that requires me to be a professional. But I guess you meant “Professional Musician”? Yes I am an amateur musician but not dumb. I guess that’s why I cannot see myself paying $600.00 for your set of bongos specially when I already owned (2) sets of them mahogany bongos and I did not payed more than $140.00 for both including shipping. I tell you I love my (2) sets, I refinished them mahogany shells with varnished and re-painted the original hardware black and kept the goat heads. I switched out the lugs on one set and both sets sound good to me.

I am just keeping it real, that's all. You are way too defensive and out of line. No matter is we are talking about tarolas or bongos here in this forum one time you jump-in hell and chaos break loose. Perhaps is time to put in-check your self-professed superiority and ego and be a little more humble and respectful of others in this forum. Have a nice day.

[mydogsowner]

These are the SAME bongos as just sold on ebay! You can see the grain pattern is identical.

This link is from your own myspace link: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... i=28481332

Note the "Carribean Rhythm" sticker is still on the block!

[mydogsowner]

And here's the eBay auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/bongos-conga_W0QQit ... 3358530cd8

I let the pics speak for themselves

[Psych1]

They don't look the same to me!

I really want to know more about the "Junior's" that Cuco says are still being made. Anyone else know anything about that?

[mydogsowner]

Cuco~

You swapped the pics! Listen, you and I both know what I saw and what I posted! You did lie and scam this. The proof was there. I only posted this to reveal your fraud.

Folks, the pics showed the same bongos. Only in the first, the original makers sticker was still on the block.

[vinnieL]

Cuco is a liar I may be kicked off this board but he is what he is. Psych1 don't bother finding anything out from him notice in his posting he says that someone is making the drums today and that they are "very expensive" but that if you want a set to "let him know" and he will get you a pair! BS

[AlexV]

looks like alot like my bongo.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4636

[caballoballo]

Caballoballo:
Can you explain scam fraud or whatever ? Yes you can buy 3 authentic Colombian made bongo and yes they are made well . But do you that is the counterfeit capital of the world that nothing is really originally made they copy anything how you want it. also explain what scam,fraud is on here

The only thing I said was about a post on Drum chat on how bongos shells are imported then remanufacture and sold for much more than they are worth. Isn't that a scam or fraud ? In that case you are paying a lot for something which is not authentic. I thought Asia was the capital of the counterfeit not Colombia. Have you ever been in Korea ? You can get anything made there resembling the original product., just as an example not said to ofend anyone. As you said Colombian made Bongos are well made, have an excellent sound and are what musicians are using now down here. That been said, again I would not pay $600 for any Bongó no matter who made it, I am not a collector,I am a player.

Do not know about Mopercs Bongos with so much weight. The ones I got are only 11.5 pounds made of ash wood.

[vinnieL]

Being half Colombian I can tell you that in terms of percussion Colombia has their own thing going they are far from being the counterfeit capital of the world. Asia could deserve that reputation. Colombia is developing a heritage of making quality instruments.

[caballoballo]

I agrred 100% with you Vinniel. I wish you could have seen the set of Congas 3A brought here last week,they are authentic on his desing as well as the Bongos, Who else have made sets with such unique color natural skins ? as far as I know,3A. I am on the move of adquiring a Tambores Barranquilla model if anybody has 1 for sale let me know..

[vinnieL]

Colombia is just starting to get recognized they will continue to put out new instruments with new ideas and new woods that will catch the attention of many.