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by **TresGolpes** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 12:39 am

Fount this hard to believe, but there is this dude that in competition with sticks did 1123 strokes in a minute, that is 18 strokes a second ...

http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/wfd/menu.html

Look towards the middle of the web page.

Evidently, the Guiness Book has prior records in that general speed. Just to measure it must be done electronically.

by **JohnnyConga** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 9:33 pm

VAYA FAMILIA....First I want to Wish everyone here in this Forum a VERY VERY SUCCESSFUL NEW YEAR!....I have now completely moved to Seattle washington after driving 7 days and crossing 13 stateswith a 15 foot truck full of possessions towing a Beamer on a tow hitch. I did get to hear some interesting music along the way, something I would call electronic experimental Latin style music, coming from Idaho and Oregon of all places. Utilizing synth's with layered percussion and a hip hop rap on top. The music is sure changing . I liked some of it and others stuff put me to sleep. I missed the forum and I expect to be participating on a daily basis again.......Sigue La Rumba!......with Peace and Copngas, always ....JC JOHNNY CONGA.............................

by **JohnnyConga** » Sat Dec 28, 2002 9:34 pm

VAYA FAMILIA....First I want to Wish everyone here in this Forum a VERY VERY SUCCESSFUL NEW YEAR!....I have now completely moved to Seattle washington after driving 7 days and crossing 13 stateswith a 15 foot truck full of possessions towing a Beamer on a tow hitch. I did get to hear some interesting music along the way, something I would call electronic experimental Latin style music, coming from Idaho and Oregon of all places. Utilizing synth's with layered percussion and a hip hop rap on top. The music is sure changing . I liked some of it and others stuff put me to sleep. I missed the forum and I expect to be participating on a daily basis again.......Sigue La Rumba!......with Peace and Congas, always ....JC JOHNNY CONGA.............................

by **yoni** » Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:09 pm

Hi everyone,

Just want to add that I sure agree with 120 decibels - speed isn't everything.

But it sure helps, so I want to try to clear something up here:

I had the honor of meeting Giovanni Hidalgo at a St. Lucia Jazz Fest where we both performed in 1994. From him I picked up the double-stroke roll, which is way faster and more sustainable than the single stroke roll mentioned earlier in this topic.

Those fast Giovanni "buzz rolls" are doubles, not singles. It's a lot of work to master the double roll with hands, but well worth the effort.

cool,
yoni

by **Michael S** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 5:01 pm

You're right yoni. Being an ex-kit drummer, the double stroke, 5-stroke, seven stroke rolls are all natural with me - provided I have a pair of sticks in my hand. I've been practicing the double stroke roll on congas ever since I saw it in Gio's Virtuoso video and it is much harder than with sticks because you do not have the rebound effect of sticks. But, like with sticks, the double stroke roll has an entirely different sound than the single stroke and I don't believe it is a replacement for it. They each have their own place. In my humble opinion.
And 120D is dead on about the pocket. Most kit drummers I've played with all think they're Keith Moon. I try and concentrate on playing the groove and let the guitar players hog the spotlight, preferring little fills occasionally to constant soloing.
One of my first purchases, along with my first conga, was a Tama metronome. It is invaluable. Much, much better, however, is my Yamaha Drum Machine as I can program clave, 6/8 bell, and any other accompanying instruments, and set it for any bpm. Sometimes a rhythm doesn't really make sense until you can play along with clave or bell. Also, I can program tumba parts and play the conga part or vice-versa. Older models, such as mine, can be picked up inexpensively at used instrument dealers or even pawn shops. Some conga books, such as Dom Moio (sp?), provide all accompanying drum parts for a rhythm and these can all be programmed in to be played along with. Doing this for extended times can be great for developing that groove, or pocket, and the increasing bpm setting can increase your speed.

Edited By Michael S on Mar. 15 2003 at 10:02

by **yoni** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 5:44 pm

Michael, I totally agree with you - I think the double roll is no replacement for the single roll, it's just different, like you said.

I still use singles also, especially if I want the roll to be very loud. But I must admit, the double is quite addictive - and once you get it down, it flies as if all by itself. When you break it up and put accents in it, it gets even more fun.

I have a young student who is starting to do triple rolls with his hands - crazy!!!

The double and single rolls are enough for me, but maybe I'll start working on those triple rolls also! Hey, I'm only 43, plenty of time...

by **Michael S** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 6:09 pm

I've also seen Raul Rekow use the double stroke roll. It is awsome to hear AND see, by any drummer. Now I'm psyched! Got to get back to practicing it, even if it's just to impress what I call the "tippy-tappers".
To anyone wanting to learn it, there is no short-cut and only one way to do it. Start slow and concentrate on evenness of stroke. Speed will come naturally. (How many times have we heard that?!)

by **yoni** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 6:22 pm

Got to claim ignorance - I don't know of Raul Rekow - I've probably been out of the U.S. for too long.

The only "big names" I've seen using the double roll are Giovanni and Richie Flores. Thanks for telling me of another one. I wonder if there are more.

I'm glad you're psyched - the doubles really improve with time, and sometimes you will feel "quantum leaps" in your progress.

I used to think it was impossible with hands, but eventually got it down pretty good, and if I can do it, anyone can.

by **JohnnyConga** » Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:44 am

yONI . here is a small list of some more conga drummers ...Luis and Roberto Quintero,Paoli Mejias, Chembo Corniel,Mingo Lewis,Michito Sanchez,Little Johnny,Steve Thornton,Don Alias. .................JC JOHNNY CONGA.....

by **yoni** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:18 am

Thanks, JC!

by **Michael S** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 5:05 pm

Raul Rekow has played congas with Carlos Santana for 20+ years. However, on the latest Santana album, I've noticed less of Raul and more use of Karl Perazzo (and ProTools...hmm)
and am wondering if Raul is moving on.

by **yoni** » Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:02 pm

"Raul Rekow playing with Carlos Santana for 20 years..."

Wow, pardon my ignorance. Unforgiveable really, as Santana was an early prime influence for me!

If you know of any recent Rekow recordings where he shows his stuff, do let me know. Thanks.

by **Chelsea** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 5:08 am

Hi Yoni,

There's a recently released CD by Raul and Karl that I can highly recommend to you - it's called 'Just Another Day in the Park', and it's available at http://www.monarecords.com.

Chelsea

by **Fish** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:42 am

Just while we're on Santana, can anyone give me a recommendation for one of their recent CD's. I'm pretty well off for their old stuff but I want to get into some of their more recent stuff. Is Supernatural a good buy... or Shaman?

I'm going to see them in just under a week so I should be able to decide on Shaman for myself. Needless to say I prefer the Latin side of their music (although its all great)....

Any thoughts?

Fish

Edited By Fish on Mar. 18 2003 at 09:45

by **yoni** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 3:05 pm

Thanks for the link, Chelsea. I'll definitely check out the album you mentioned.

Fish, I wish I could contribute thoughts on recent Santana but am not so familiar. It's all great, though some of the newer stuff sounds more commercial to me and I like best the far out stuff of the '70s like "Caravanserai", "Welcome", etc.

But that's just personal preference.

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