boléro-son

[Laurent Lamy]

Someone can tell me what it is necessary to play on the percussions in the bolero-son. Thanks

[JohnnyConga]

Hi Laurent...you would play congas, bongos, clave.Do you mean the patterns that are played for bolero son.?? ...At your Service...JC JOHNNY CONGA....

[Laurent Lamy]

Hi Laurent...you would play congas, bongos, clave.Do you mean the patterns that are played for bolero son.?? ...At your Service...JC JOHNNY CONGA....

I mean the patterns that are played for boléro son. Thanks for reply Johnny.

[JohnnyConga]

1+a2+3+4+ | S=slap P=palm T=tone
PPPSSpt t t |
RLR ....this is the bolero pattern and martillo is played on bongo. Is this what your looking for???? But you know this pattern, I am sure......At your Service...JC JOHNNY CONGA...

[JohnnyConga]

I also believe when you come to the Son section of the tune you play a "half tumbao" one tone versus two tones for the pattern...... I hope this is what your looking for....At your Service..JC JOHNNY CONGA...

[RitmoBoricua]

Hi, JC when you switch from bolero to son you only play "half tumbao" now what I would like to know which half you play:

H T S T H T O O
L L R L L L R R
OR
H T S O O P O O
L L R R R L R R

Top "half tumbao" pattern you stay on the macho and the bottom "half tumbao" pattern you play macho and hembra. Which one you use when you switch from bolero to son. The reason I ask is because I am rehearsing with a band and we are doing a number where we switch from bolero to son and my keyboard player tells me that when we get to the son section I am playing cruzao. So I want know which half of the tumbo pattern I should play. I am new to this forum but so far I really like all the good info you guys provide. Thanks!

RitmoBoricua!

[Laurent Lamy]

You welcome Ritmoboricua. Thanks for all guys!

[JohnnyConga]

Hi ...when I say "half tumbao" it means "un golpe na ma". Not two tones but one tone of the tumbao pattern. Also you have to make sure which clave your in 3/2 or 2/3. Son is generally in 2/3. Hope this helps....At your Service.....JC JOHNNY CONGA......

[Laurent Lamy]

Hi ...when I say "half tumbao" it means "un golpe na ma". Not two tones but one tone of the tumbao pattern. Also you have to make sure which clave your in 3/2 or 2/3. Son is generally in 2/3. Hope this helps....At your Service.....JC JOHNNY CONGA......

:0 Do you mean like this:

B T S T B T O .

[JohnnyConga]

THE TUMBAO i AM TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE THIS

1+2 3+4
HTS HTTONE.
LLR LLR- HEEL TIP SLAP HEEL TIP TONE, A LA TOMMY LOPEZ STYLE.(EDDIE PALMIERI IN THE 60'S). .....UNPAKIN!......JC JOHNNY CONGA

[Michael S]

Pardon my ignorance but I always thought bolero was played thusly:
H T S T H O conga
O O tumba
I've never seen it transcribed any other way. Is bolero-son a totally different rhythm from bolero?
My collection of classic music consists only of three early Mongo, the two Ritmo Caliente records of Tjader, a couple of Puente, Sabu, and some Willie Bobo pop stuff; would there be any examples of bolero-son on these recordings? ???



Edited By Michael S on Feb. 22 2003 at 08:32

[JohnnyConga]

Your right about the bolero pattern, though I know of 4 different ways to play it. The son is a slow "cha" so the tumbao only gets one tone on the conga. As far as what records you have. There isn't any "bolero-son" represented on any of those that u have. Pick up Larry Harlow Album from the 70's called "Arsenio" good examples there. Or some Miguelito Cuni records from Cuba. Or early Cachao y su Ritmo Tipico. Hope this helps...At your Service..JC JOHNNY CONGA...

[Fish]

I learnt to play the bolero with a H HT (16th notes) on the first beat. To me this gives the pattern a bit more "kick" than the tumbao-like variation above. Since boleros are slow it's pretty easy to execute (although it is fun to play it fast).

Fish

[RitmoBoricua]

<<<THE TUMBAO i AM TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE THIS
1+2 3+4
HTS HTTONE. LLR LLR- HEEL TIP SLAP HEEL TIP TONE, A LA TOMMY LOPEZ STYLE.(EDDIE PALMIERI IN THE 60'S). >>>

Hi, Mr. JC, is the above tumbao meant to be played on the macho only? I am new around here so I figure that "tone" is "open" in your technique. I need to break-out "La Perfecta" cd's and listen closely and give it a try. Thanks once again

[RitmoBoricua]

Hi. Michael also on Tito Puente's Beny More tribute recordings you can see examples of "Bolero-Son". Take Care!



Edited By RitmoBoricua on Feb. 23 2003 at 13:26