Palo - different types of palo rhythm?

[Thomas Altmann]

Hello,

I wonder whether somebody is familiar with a certain style of Palo rhythm where one of the drums plays the last two triplet notes (alternating bare hands):

X-X-XX-X-X-X (basic bell/clave)

-OO-OO-OO-OO (which drum part?)
-RL-RL-RL-RL

O-TX-TX-TOO- (basic caja)?? (X=stick on dampened skin)
R-LR-LR-LRR- (R: stick)

I saw this type of Palo on a video that did not allow me to identify basic figures of the other drums. All I can say is, the cajero played with a stick in his right hand.

So far I have known the following version:

X-X-XX-X-X-X (basic bell/clave)

S-TSO-S-TSO- (cachimbo)
L-RLR-L-RLR-

--O-TS--O-TS (mula)
--R-RL--R-RL

O-TBT-S-TBT- (caja)

Any input is appreciated.

Greetings,

Thomas

P.S.: for lack of a better "e-mail music notation system" I succumbed to the popular XO system. Unfortunately, the individual parts are not vertically aligned; it can be better viewed using the Courier font. -TA



Edited By Thomas Altmann on 1169673731

[Laurent Lamy]

Hello,

I wonder whether somebody is familiar with a certain style of Palo rhythm where one of the drums plays the last two triplet notes (alternating bare hands):

X-X-XX-X-X-X (basic bell/clave)

-OO-OO-OO-OO (which drum part?)
-RL-RL-RL-RL

O-TX-TX-TOO- (basic caja)?? (X=stick on dampened skin)
R-LR-LR-LRR- (R: stick)

I saw this type of Palo on a video that did not allow me to identify basic figures of the other drums. All I can say is, the cajero played with a stick in his right hand.

So far I have known the following version:

X-X-XX-X-X-X (basic bell/clave)

S-TSO-S-TSO- (cachimbo)
L-RLR-L-RLR-

--O-TS--O-TS (mula)
--R-RL--R-RL

O-TBT-S-TBT- (caja)

Any input is appreciated.

Greetings,

Thomas

P.S.: for lack of a better "e-mail music notation system" I succumbed to the popular XO system. Unfortunately, the individual parts are not vertically aligned; it can be better viewed using the Courier font. -TA

The first version looks like the matanzera version of Palo.

[Thomas Altmann]

Merci Laurent !

- TA

[niallgregory]

The mantanzas cachimbo part that i studied was alternating between slaps and opens but rhythmically it was the same as this

ss oo ss oo
-OO-OO-OO-OO (which drum part?)
-RL-RL-RL-RL

[windhorse]

Yep, Nial, that last one is the one I've seen from Matanzas. The one you pointed out in the first post is the same thing with just tones and not alternating the slaps, right?

Seems like a natural variation.

[Thomas Altmann]

Nial & windhorse:

Hey, if that is what you studied, then perhaps I didn't hear well; I may be wrong. I just had this private video, after all.

Anyway, thanks for everybody's input. May I ask you for the other two drum patterns you were taught?

Thomas

[niallgregory]

Hi Thomas,

I studied with afrocuba de mantanzas in cuba and learned palo among other things from them .I will post up the other parts or maybe stick them up on youtube if you like .

[Laurent Lamy]

Hi Thomas,

I studied with afrocuba de mantanzas in cuba and learned palo among other things from them .I will post up the other parts or maybe stick them up on youtube if you like .

Yes i like Youtube !

[windhorse]

Oops, I just meant the part where tones and slaps alternate, I didn't necessirly mean the tones only part.
oof,, the printed medium!
Definitely do it on video for better understanding!

Mine is all written out in PDF form at:
Cuban Matanzas notation
Scroll to page #21


And by the way,,, are you the Thomas Altmann who wrote Cantos A Los Orichas?!?!?
If so, I personally owe you a huge debt of gratitude!!!!

Dave



Edited By windhorse on 1169855507

[Thomas Altmann]

Hi windhorse:

thanks for sharing your manuscript. Page 21 seems to resemble the Palo version I have learned from John Santos and all the people who had studied with the CFN in Havana (see my 2nd. example).

Yes I wrote the Cantos Lucumí book, and: You're welcome. I'm glad it's useful for some people, apparently.

Nial: I already made the experience that videos can be misleading. Often the sound quality is not really good, and sometimes the audio is not well synchronized with the video. So, if you are willing to share your notation, I'd prefer that.

Thanks,

Thomas

[niallgregory]

Hi Thomas,

I will more than likely put it on youtube and post it on here for you aswel .There are lots of variations on the caja that would take me ages to write up here (too lazy ) so i could do that on youtube ,I assure you it will be off good quality both sound and picture .I am also a huge fan of cantos a lucumi .I have been using the book for years to learn songs and also as a teaching aid .Fantastic stuff ,thanks .I just wish someone would write one about the songs from the candomble and afro brasilian traditions .Niall.