leedy2 wrote:Just have to laugh look like some just don't get it. To play a drum you just need to bang it have a good masacote and to hell hardware , rims and most of all the look . Look does not matter it can look ragady beat up as long as a good sound comes out qnd yu know what you are doing.
docarroyo wrote:Ernesto P. What you may consider a flawed design has stood the test of time for over 50 years. Your ideas are just concepts that you have not even as far as any one here can tell even produced a proto type. How do you know that they are superior to what the master drum makers of yesterday and today are producing. What you or others may consider flawed, I and most of the professionals percussionist I know love for the tradition and esthetics as well as function as simplistic as it is. There have been many new ideas over the years to modernize the congas and bongos, Top tunning Gon Bops and now LP, Turnbuckles used by Echotone and Columbo, Inovative hardware on congas are not new. Congeros always return to the tried and tested hardware of tradition. Repairs and maintence is required on all instruments pianos need tunning, guitars set ups, new strings, woodwinds corking, I could go on for each and every instrument. If you have the perfect instrument design make a prototype share it with the rest of the world of course register it first so no one steals your ideas. As far as Jays and Matthews creations go you the first and only person I have ever heard refer to them as inferior or flawed. I know them both and can tell you each drum receives their attention and care. I guess you must consider Junior Tirado drums flawed also while many cherish them. I do not want to start anything but your opinions are agrevating me to the point of diareah. I also agree with Cuco(Leedy) no es la fletcha pero el indio, check out the rumberos in Cuba and the rest of the third world countries who cant afford new drums. They play wooden boxes and plastic buckets and much of the time sound better than alot of cats with NICE drums. In the end are you checking out the design or playing the drum and listening to the sound. In other fields older instruments are more revered than new ones and command higher prices, guitars and violins for instance. When new designs come in those field they go just as quickly. Tradition sometimes or more than not over powers the new in most areas, rotary engine VS pistons, the rotary is a better concept and ENGINEERING,less maintenace easier to fix but we know how that went. Just my opinion.
Ernesto Pediangco wrote:docarroyo wrote:Ernesto P. What you may consider a flawed design has stood the test of time for over 50 years. Your ideas are just concepts that you have not even as far as any one here can tell even produced a proto type. How do you know that they are superior to what the master drum makers of yesterday and today are producing. What you or others may consider flawed, I and most of the professionals percussionist I know love for the tradition and esthetics as well as function as simplistic as it is. There have been many new ideas over the years to modernize the congas and bongos, Top tunning Gon Bops and now LP, Turnbuckles used by Echotone and Columbo, Inovative hardware on congas are not new. Congeros always return to the tried and tested hardware of tradition. Repairs and maintence is required on all instruments pianos need tunning, guitars set ups, new strings, woodwinds corking, I could go on for each and every instrument. If you have the perfect instrument design make a prototype share it with the rest of the world of course register it first so no one steals your ideas. As far as Jays and Matthews creations go you the first and only person I have ever heard refer to them as inferior or flawed. I know them both and can tell you each drum receives their attention and care. I guess you must consider Junior Tirado drums flawed also while many cherish them. I do not want to start anything but your opinions are agrevating me to the point of diareah. I also agree with Cuco(Leedy) no es la fletcha pero el indio, check out the rumberos in Cuba and the rest of the third world countries who cant afford new drums. They play wooden boxes and plastic buckets and much of the time sound better than alot of cats with NICE drums. In the end are you checking out the design or playing the drum and listening to the sound. In other fields older instruments are more revered than new ones and command higher prices, guitars and violins for instance. When new designs come in those field they go just as quickly. Tradition sometimes or more than not over powers the new in most areas, rotary engine VS pistons, the rotary is a better concept and ENGINEERING,less maintenace easier to fix but we know how that went. Just my opinion.
Ahem....My point is....bending & warping parts defeat the purpose of a tuning system, especially when a drum owner may have to do repairs to these flawed parts. I have no reason to accept what some regard as age old designs. Model T Fords are old designs too, but I would not trust my life or career to them when improved performance & dependability is available from the progress of industry,and it all comes down to intentional design to improve on flaws. Denial only stagnates improvement. It is a buyers market. If it is obvious to me that a design will cause me problems in the future...I will simply look at other options. A good drum shell cooper may not be a good hard ware designer but can copy simpler hard wares & tuning system designs but that is a dis service to the potential owners of the instruments. Repairs should never be nesesary to these parts except from damages unrelated to normal use. That's my point. Congueros have many options. Top tuned models existed in the past but were not well designed versions, there were always weak points to incomplete designs. But...look at all the damaged drum shells caused from the tuning system parts damaging adjacent drums. Is this acceptable to you ? Industrialist have controlled the direction of automotive...so its not a fair comparison in engineering. But...even traditional tuning can remove the cause for drum shell damage due to colliding drums & parts. Its just that no one tries or customers blindly accept the flaws that you call tradition. That sounds defeating from the start. This is why import drums dominate American made industries in so many categories and why Latin American goods seldom evolved to be of acceptable quality to north American markets. Quality issues *. But look at Brazilian Drum companies...they have high quality, advanced designs and are raising the standards of even low end products. Quality designs trickle down to less costly models when it is more common place. If Brazilian products remained crude & non standardized head sizes etc. The would not have grown in the market & other companies would have replaced them. Custom builders I would hope would lead the progress not follow ?
vinnieL wrote:So it is your opinion that Ritmo and SOS are inferior drums?
pcastag wrote:We await your designs. Until then lets just say you sound a bit........ critical.
vinnieL wrote:I'm reminded of Dr. Z's work on the forum a while back
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