Cuban influence in early R&R and R&B - tresillo, clave and guajeo's impact

[congamyk]

I appreciate links to webpages that address these topics. It’s amusing that you linked to Wikipedia in your last message though, since you said that “Wikipedia is a joke, not a valid source.” (06/27/07) I guess it's only a joke when it presents facts that you find inconveniant, such as Jelly Roll Morton's use of Cuban rhythmic elements (Taikonoatama 06/19/07).

-David

you got me there D

I'm sure there is alot I could learn from you.



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[Congadelica]

What a good read this thread has been , Thankyou guys I learned a million things from this .
The history of music is something Im into ATM .


peace brothers

marco

[congamyk]

I am not about making value judgements about who has "the best music", or "the most complex" music - I couldn't give a toss about that, I am just interested in the facts. Unless you've been there, experienced it first hand and immersed yourself in the culture and an in depth open minded study of the music I do not believe you are justified or qualified in making such sweeping generalisations.

cheers and regards
Pavlo

Pavlo, then you and I are in agreement as I also stated that it is "as complex" as the other forms of music but not more complex than them.

I have not rationalized one music being superior or inferior over another. And while it is complex it is also very simplistic at it's heart.

peace to all lovers of music

[davidpenalosa]

Whoa Congamyk! No fair acknowledging points and getting all nice on me! I’m completely off-balance now! Room spinning…..losing oxygen….everything going black…… …………

Seriously though, I appreciate your fair-play and the compliment very much. Thank you. Peace.

Sincerely,
David

[bongosnotbombs]

I have been really enjoying the posts on this R&B subject and the other one on jazz...

Could we not conceivably start a new thread or two?

The impact of Jazz and R&B on modern Afro-Cuban music?

Surely the influences could possibly traveled in both directions.

[davidpenalosa]

Bongosnotbombs,
Great idea. The case could be made that jazz has had a more profound effect on popular Cuban music, than popular Cuban music has had on jazz. Another can-of-worms no doubt.
-David

[congamyk]

Wow those are great ideas.

Since I played "devil's advocate" :angry: :p before I for-the-record will emphatically state that I believe Afro-Cuban rhythms are certainly influencing every form of music today. From jazz to rock and from pop to techno and beyond, Afro-Cuban rhythms are permeating and affecting music everywhere.

Even most national/international touring pop, rock and country groups now have auxillary percussionists with conga setups (even though they are played sparsely ) from the Afro-Cuban influence. I think Cuban and Brazilian rhythms are making most people realize that if you want to make booties shake, you better bring some funk.



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[congamyk]

The impact of Jazz and R&B on modern Afro-Cuban music?

And the impact of Latin music on jazz, because frankly - this is where it's at!

This is most interesting to me since it is the music I play and love the most - Latin Jazz. I also love Brazilian jazz and am doing all I can to learn more about them.



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[bongosnotbombs]

Absolutley CongaMyk!
Latin-jazz and Brazillian Jazz are the best, definately the influences go both ways here, as with Stan Getz and Jobim each giving to the other and taking it back to spread around their respective countries.

[Colacao]

congueros,

Here an intersting clip Elvis presley and Jack Constanzo...
Elvis is playing the clave on tamburin...an afro rythme play by the old school bongocero J. Constanzo. Latin influences in Rock&Roll ?
In reallity I tell you there is nothing new today...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCZvAxb29IE



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[davidpenalosa]

OMG! Thanks for that link! Elvis playing the son clave, beginning 3-2 and 2-3, a clear Cuban influence. Cheesey, hillarious and a fitting end to this thread.

-David



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[davidpenalosa]

OK, here's another one: "Little Darlin" by The Diamonds:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s94EbYKrpH8

[Colacao]

Hey David,

bum bum bum bum Chiwari...clave.

Funy song too.

I can read a little but it's hard to speak with my english. I'm learning a lot.
Yeeaaah I'm in holyday...I go to spain tomorow...Yeaaaah !!!! :p

Saludos

[Quinto Governor II]

Man! What have I missed? I've never seen that movie. If I had seen it back in the day I might have started playing drums waaaay back then, and just think where I might be today. I can imagine may post in the ' How You Got Started' thread. Elvis was my major influence.....I'm only half joking. Wasn't cool to be an Elvis fan, back in the day, but had I seen that movie who knows.

[davidpenalosa]

I don’t mean to be beating a dead horse here, but awhile back there was some question as to the importance of two American musicians who extensively used the rhythmic figure tresillo. I recently discovered a 1995 series of ten US postage stamps honoring jazz pioneers. Jelly Roll Morton was one of the ten. I also found a 1997 series of eight stamps honoring American composers and conductors. Louis Moreao Gottchalk was one of the honored eight.

The influence of the Cuban Habanera on Gottchalk and Morton led to tresillo becoming a staple of American popular music.
-David