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by **onile** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:41 pm

Alafia Abures!
I hope that you are all well and in an abundance of blessings my friends!

After feeding my Eleggua this morining, I was given a question which I ask on this forum of all my traveled bretheren/brothers! Who decides when a new rythm is worthy of sending out among the masses? In example, the mozambique, out of Cuba, traveled around and became a hot item for the majority, the Cha Cha Cha, Mambo, etc. etc...
I'm sure that if everyone who picked up a conga drum just began banging away without rhyme or reason, that they might be led to feel that they've discovered a new rythm for the world, no! no! this is not what I'm asking. I mean is there a group of percussionists that these new rythms are bounced off of (no pun intended), and they doctor it up (the phrasing, notation, and so on) before agreeing that it is worthy of putting forward. Sort of like a Supreme Court of Rythm?

I'm sure that we've all been practicing feverishly at times, and wind up being traveled through a cosmic spance in time, where we find ourselves displaying rythms that we never knew we could. Only to come back and realize that it's a rythm we've heard on an old Mongo, Barretto, Patato or Munequitos album. But what of those truly inspired rythms that might be new, who decides if they are in fact "new" and should be conveyed to the public? How does one get them out there? Could it be done through this forum? or another vehicle?

JC! You're a traveled man, respectfully, you've been places, seen and learned many rythms as they've appreared on the horizon. What's your take on this? Not to single you out my brother, I ask this to the forum. I have always had this curiosity and wondered about it. I mean no disrespect to anyone with this, hopefully, thought provoking question! I am always learning and truly want to continue to learn, from the many masters on this forum.

Con mucho respeto pa' lo que estan y los que se'an ido!
Egun edile mbelese Olodumare Ibaye Orun!

Odabo!
Onile!

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by **JohnnyConga** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:47 pm

Vaya ...I believe it's the "audience" that gives the OK on what's New . Of course there are rhythms being invented and re invented all the time, but only a few get "picked up" as "popular". Most of them again are "Dance rhythms"..Enrique Jorrin invented the Chachacha in his living room and I have the video of him demonstrating how he did it. Next he wrote a tune "La Enganadora" which gave him International recognition concerning the Cha cha cha and it became an International craze...Pello "El Afro-Kan" invented the "Mozambique" and the dance that went with it too, and I have his first album introducing this "NEW" rhythm and with the dance steps on the back of the record album, but u didn't know there was even a 'dance' called "Mozambique'.....Changuito invented "Songo",but it was more of a rhythm to be played rather than a dance rhythm "associated/attached" to it. Dominicans invented "Merengue",Puerto Ricans-Bomba ,Plena..you see these are all "dance rhythms" so the "audience" either is gonna like them or not like them depends on how long their around for. Most 'dance rhythms" go thru phases, musical history shows that. Today u have 'Pilon, Changui,Guarapachangeo,and other "dance rhythms". So what will be popular today ?....once again it depends on the "audience"......Hope that kinda answers ur question, others may have a different take on your question.....con paz y tumbas..."JC" Johnny Conga...

by **tamboricua** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:26 pm

Onile,

Hope all is well! A point to have in consideration in the development of all this new rhythms is that groups back then, even today want to have their own particular trademark sound. Nobody wants to sound like their competition. Based on that, they are force to create new stuff. Back then you did have Juanito Marques y su ritmo Pa'ca, Pacho Alonso y el Pilón, Elio Revé adaptations of Changüí to his group, Formell/Blas Egües/Changuito with Songo, that's to name just a few. Also Rumba and Timba groups are coming with their "inventos" practically everyday.

Saludos,

Jorge Ginorio

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by **onile** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:24 pm

Vaya Boricuas! That's what I'm asking, Thanks for clarifying it JC y Tamboricua! Ache Pa'Ti! Ache Pa' Mi!

I know that some drummers in the rumba world get together and play various rythms, disect them and replace various notes to create a slightly different feel to them, but as you point out JC, it's up to the audience to accept them as new. Which ultimately means, they would have to come up with a published (recorded) version of it for playing on the radio!

Kinkemache JC! Kinkemache Tamboricua!

Onile!

by **rumbaman** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:56 am

How are you gentelman doin' today . I have to agree that new rythums are determined by the large population that listens to them . This in refrence to rudiments .

thanks rumbaman

by **zaragemca** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:57 pm

Onile,you are improperly using the Yoruba diatribe in this forum,it is not a joke,(for the people which really would have anything to do with it),people which don't have ancestors in that religion doesn't realize it,but I do,and it is improper man.Dr. Zaragemca

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by **onile** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:12 pm

Alafia Zaragemca!
I hope that you are well and in an abundance of blessings!
"Woah! talk about a buzzkill"
I did not use the "Yoruba diatribe" in a joking format, I know better than this, believe me, nor did I intend to insult anyone with it. I merely conveyed my wish for blessings (que nada mal les pasara) upon the two gentlemen I addressed. You took offense, once again.....it wasn't intended that way.

Many blessings my friend!
Onile

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by **zaragemca** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:53 am

The Orichas don't get involved with people which have not taking the step of coming to them though the people which are recognized by them,so the blessing of somebody,or making somebody to pay the price whenever something is done wrong,(within their jurisdiction),would take place regardless who is trying to bless,not human being could take a blessing from the Yorubas Orichas,is they don't think that person deserve the blessing,(regardless who is requesting that),that is a movie/fiction which might work in other religions,not with the Orichas.Dr. Zaragemca

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by **onile** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:15 am

Snap!
Wow! I guess you told me didn't you, somewhere in that incredible run-on sentence!
Listen, you were right in the previous message, this is not the forum for this conversation! You know, I bet you're a pretty likeable guy once people get to know you! In the words of John Lennon, "Give Peace a Chance!" I've read some of your posts and, believe it or not they're pretty entertaining, if only you would stop trying to bite people's heads off. Enjoy life Zaragemca, relax, have fun!

Keep drummin'
O'Yeah!
Keep drummin'

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by **rumbaman** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:06 pm

Hey their gentelmen hows everyone doin' . I had to post this
because it reminded me of an experience here. I learned a good lesson . This is an international board and a great one at that if i must say . One great lesson i have learned . Politics ,religion ,and music don't mix .. Peace my brothers have a good day .

rumbaman

by **ralph** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:27 pm

zaragemca wrote:The Orichas don't get involved with people which have not taking the step of coming to them though the people which are recognized by them

I really don't want to get into this but Zara, unless you know Onile personally how do you know what steps he has taken or who ancestors where and so forth, this assumption is invalid, and unless in fact YOU DO know Onile's lineage and it doesn't add up in your opinion, than why do you assume he has no idea what he's talking about in the context that he is saying it...i know you trying to clear up misconceptions, and so forth, but why couldn't he wish blessing on someone, if he has faith, and even if technically the Orichas don't care about his requests and they won't grant it, what purpose does it serve to stop this person from trying to express himself...one more thing is Yoruba worship and practice in your opinion only relegated to those who are either Afro Cuban, and have Yoruban ancestors, or can anyone partake in Lucumi culture...etc...

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by **JohnnyConga** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:36 pm

ANYONE can partake in Lucumi..you don't have to be African or Cuban ..I know many "Baba's" that are neither from Africa or Cuba...."They" do not have a "monopoly" on this religion...."JC" Johnny Conga.....

by **GuruPimpi** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:08 pm

Hi!

I think the thread has gone into wrong direction or if I try to say in another way, tumbao is not tumbao any more...

So guys, who put the Bomp in the Bomparaparamp?

Now, all together:,, ALL WE ARE ASKING.... who put the Bomp in the Bomparaparamp?''

GIVE PEACE A CHANCE AND who put the Bomp in the Bomparaparamp? :cool:

Primoz

by **onile** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:24 pm

¿Hay cariño o no hay cariño?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

by **GuruPimpi** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:40 pm

¿Hay cariño o no hay cariño?

What or not what?
I'm sure it's funny!

Translation onile plz!

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