cedar? yes! cuban? hmmmm? - who made this one

[congalero]

dario y tony

thanks for the feedback. i heard jay had a couple of drums that were described as being like this one. my curiosity is mostly in the hardware as being aluminum in nature. it actually can/has dented and is of a very porous and soft nature. it does not bend and is quite strong, mainly due to its thickness, but it can and will dent easier than steel. It may well be a mixture of alloys.

tony, there appears to be no indication of ever having a manufacturers plate tag anywhere, but there is certainly a series of filled holes at the bottom where there was once a series of four legs and indications of holes that were filled where a large long handle once occupied a space on the side of the drum. the handle screws were anchored vertically and not horizontally - hole are up and down, not side by side as in your pic.
the side plates on your 9/1/2007 posted pic in this thread are identical and the metal look very much the same in nature; the tuning rods are over the top of this crown as you stated and your posted pic shows them to be welded. one key here is the mounting of those rods. i m not sure if this was a standard practice for zim gar. maybe dario or you can shed light on this. all in all the drum has a great voice.
also, those wire bands and the alma appear to be original equipment. the wire alma is twice as thick as the bands.



Edited By congalero on 1188956728

[blango]

Brian,

The pic on 9/1 - the lugs are over the top of the rim in a groove, i think.

I didnt remember the built in stands, again mexican.

This must be an early Zim Gar, as ive never seen Zim Gar make a shell like this one.

I bet the long handle was a strap. how long was it?

That begs the question - was this a retro fitted tack head? do you see any holes on the top of the drum under the skin?

There is some space to be seen in the picture of the alma. that tells me it was retrofitted.

Also, the workmanship of the rings and the alma were kind of hand done (staples and all ), unlike the other hardware.

I would like to know if anyone has seen an all Cedar Zim Gar.... Anyone? All of the ones ive seen are striped.

Tony

[blango]

inside of drum posted on 9/1

Note, the white glue tells me it was made by the same shop, despite the differing shape

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[congalero]

hey tony,

i still think the bands and alma are original equipment, as crude as they may seem. notice the flat metal plate inside the drum used as a washer for the lower bolt only; it is black metal like the bands and crude as well. the glue lines are much more precise and neat. sorry i missed the tuning rods not being welded, but all the metal used in these two drums is very much identical. yours look porous as well. does it dent easily and have the consistency of aluminum.

[blango]

Bri,

It’s not my drum, but it looks like your hardware.

I was out bid a couple of years back, but kept the pictures.

Not to quibble, but i saw the plates as well, and thought to myself. If i had this drum i would add two bands, an alma and plates on the inside to beef up the hardware. I think the owner was a serious player and made these modifications.

No other mexican maker had an alma, as far as i know. Perhaps Dario knows of a Mexican alma. Also, it was common to just have washers and nuts on the inside, instead of plates like the hand made ones on this tub.

There are Mexican Cedar drums. I'll post a couple soon. I'll also post a cuban cedro tub for comparison.

The thick bands are very mexican looking.

The shape is kind of like the mini congas they sold. like the one i posted. but again striped.

It is modern height, right? 31"?

Tony

[bongosnotbombs]

The hardware looks similar to this giuys congas, he also uses cedar for his drums, maybe he is the maker? Puerto Rican?

http://www.congaplace.com/cgi-bin....;t=3392

http://www.geocities.com/amadordrums

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