pulse and count - keeping time

[franc]

please , any one out there can help me on this confusion!!!
i'm stlill trying to comprehend the difference in 4/4 and cut time 2/2?? specially the 2/4 and 2/2. what is the difference between 2//4 and 2/2(binary). how do i apply the pulse with my foot in each?? especially in salsa and cuban music?? i use my foot a lot to mantain a steady time line. also i need to know what or how is subdivision is used in 2/2 (binary) any help will be appreciated it, thans, franc

[zaragemca]

The 4/4 is a subdivision of 2/2,... for every,( /2 ),you have 2/4 and 4/8,... to count the timing you could mark the 1 beat of the time signature,..or every beat,(according with the numeric value) in (4/4), you could mark four times for each bar,/ 1,2,3,4,/...



Edited By zaragemca on 1106681753

[franc]

zaragemca,
you mean the bar is what is divided. two bars of 4/4 , is one of 2/2??? please explain further??? the half note, for ex. why does it get one beat in 2/2??? and eigth note gets one beat in 4/4?? sorry for all this confusion!!! please sub divide some music note ex. for me if you don't mind?? confused in this issue, your friend, franc:blush:

[tamboricua]

Hola Franc,

Hope all is well! Time signatures 4/4, 2/2, 7/8 indicate two things:

1. The top number indicates how many beats are in one bar.
2. The bottom number indicates which type of note(quarter notes, eightnote, etc.) will get one of the counts.

In 4/4 the top number indicates four beats in each bar, the bottom number indicates that the quarter note get one count each. In 2/2 the top number indicates two beats in each bar, the bottom number indicates that the half note gets one count each.

In Latin music it is very common to see music written in 4/4, but actually played in what is known as cut time 2/2. Cut time indicates that the counting will be twice as fast and that the pulse of the music is in "two" rather that in "four".

Hope this helps!

Saludos,

Jorge Ginorio

[franc]

jorge,
hope all is well!! thanks for the explanation. since i use my foot on the pulse. i was confused if i was counting four pulses with my foot or two pulse in two bar rhythm . also jorge which is the best way to count the time in each bar, in english or spanish??? for ex. un, y dos y, etc. or one and, two and, etc. my best to you ,my friend and take care. y ''continua con tu bandera y tu tamborrrr''
franc

[tamboricua]

jorge,
hope all is well!! thanks for the explanation. since i use my foot on the pulse. i was confused if i was counting four pulses with my foot or two pulse in two bar rhythm . also jorge which is the best way to count the time in each bar, in english or spanish??? for ex. un, y dos y, etc. or one and, two and, etc. my best to you ,my friend and take care. y ''continua con tu bandera y tu tamborrrr''
franc

Franc,

There is no such thing as the "best way" to count. As long as you are playing on time and grooving, count in the way that feel most comfortable to you.

Best,

Jorge Ginorio

PD Sí con mi bandera y mi tambó hasta la muerte!!!!



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[Mr. NoChops]

In Latin music it is very common to see music written in 4/4, but actually played in what is known as cut time 2/2. Cut time indicates that the counting will be twice as fast and that the pulse of the music is in "two" rather that in "four".

That sounds a little strange to me. Here’s how I see it:
2/2: 2 beats per bar, one beat every half note IOW -- ONE and two and THREE and four and
4/4: 4 beats per bar, one beat every quarter note IOW -- ONE and TWO and THREE and FOUR and
4/8: 4 beats per bar, one beat every eight note IOW -- ONE AND TWO AND THREE AND FOUR

Looking at it this way, you would think that “cut time” or double time, should be 4/8 and not 2/2. I may be wrong though.
Here’s a few more hints:

5/4: just say “op-por-tu-ni-ty” in cycles and you’re counting 5/4 time
7/4: one bar of 4/4 + one bar of 3/4 IOW -- ONE and TWO and THREE and FOUR and FIVE and SIX and SEVEN and



Edited By Mr. NoChops on 1106725732

[zaragemca]

ok, the situation is the 4/4, and 2/2, are of the same time value,.. two half-note,(2/2), have the same timing value of four quarter,(4/4),...cut-time, means that the total value for the bar,/..../,is going to be shown in 2/2, instead of 4/4,...double time means transfering the 2/2 value to 4/4 value,or multiply the value of the note,..which is confusion and unnecesary since the music could be written in 4/4 and stop that king of rambling,that is the reason that the 2/2 time signature is not been used generally,also the 4/4, is better tools in relation of placing syncopations,contra-syncopations,and dynamics,features, patterns,etc...The pulse of the music could be controlled by naming the RPM, of the music.(which is the way it is done in studios),and which musicians using metronomes.



Edited By zaragemca on 1106765031

[franc]

thank you a lot you guys. you have made the differences. things look much brighter now. i do appreciate your help to the most. thanks again. is great to have ''rumberos like you'' on this magnificent forum. ONE,TWO, one, two, three, four.. áche and my best to you guys!!!!!!!, franc:D