double roll bouncer - help for doubles?

[franc]

p.s my opinion is based on the conga!! thanks fellow. franc

[yoni]

Hi Diceman and franc. I think doing doubles slow, loose yet hard, will eventually give them volume close to that of singles, also depending on the drum - a bassier drum like a tumbadora may give more bounce and volume than a quinto, as said before. Doing doubles or any rolls slow is a great way to strengthen them and lays the groundwork for good sound and volume at higher speeds. The double and single rolls are "different animals"; I don't think one kind of roll is more important than another, any kind can be used. To me what's most "important" is to enjoy the music.

[Diceman]

Yoni, Franc,

Is this Transglobal sharing, or what!!
Maybe you are right, I should practice more on a Conga rather than the Quinto, where you need more speed as the bounce is less.
I guess what I find is that I have a slow double, which is two distinct movements with each hand, and a very fast one which is as you describe, Yoni, an open tone followed by by a slight tipping of the hand and a pull away, which gives the second tone. Different muscles for each.
My challenge is doing the second method slower (maybe try a bigger drum), and the first method faster (more practice). And the volume.....?????
Thanks for input guys, appreciated, and I will try what you suggest.
BTW, I just gots some mules from Isaac, my next project!!

cheers
Diceman

[JohnnyConga]

For the double stroke guys .I was taught that the "second" stroke of the double is more accented(played harder) on purpose...then build for speed and clarity..."JC" Johnny Conga...

[yoni]

For the double stroke guys .I was taught that the "second" stroke of the double is more accented(played harder) on purpose...then build for speed and clarity..."JC" Johnny Conga...

I will take that to heart, JC. The second stroke comes naturally softer for many, so working on it harder makes sense.

Oooh, now I can't stop... One more thing - The "fish" (heel toe) roll and open double are "related"... Do the "fish" one and pull hands to the edge of the drum - so just the "toe" ends of the hands are bouncing on the head - the open double can come from that.

[maSSivdrums]

Aloha Yoni,

Mahalo for a great post! I'm practicing everyday on my desk at work :p when I don't have access to a drum. Will take your advice to heart. Still working on da Martillo...

Keep on Poundin'... Aloha, Bro. Nol

[yoni]

Aloha Nolan!

Great to hear from you! I'm missing Hawaii big time. Had such a great time there with you and everyone else.

Yeah, keep on poundin'!

All the best,

Yoni

[yoni]

Just another observation on rolls in general - I've heard many great conga solos without any rolls in them at all!

All the best,

Yonatan

[GuruPimpi]

Geeez!

I'm sitting at the desk in my new job's office and reading this thread... I just got yesterday fyberskins for my fiberglass and can't wait to get home and put them on and start playing those doubles, since they eated my brains out. There's a progress but still nothing like WAW.

Yoni, I really like your putting the words together, motivating indeed.

JC, your DVD is out, selling? Can I order it?

Guys take care, Groove Your Music!

PimpS

[windhorse]

Most fun is, of course, to practice them on your lovi's back or behind, depending on her good cheer, and how much wrist strength is desired... a softer surface may build muscles stronger.
Nothing like a gentle double roll to soothe the savage beast in her, I say.

Ahahah! Yoni!!
Yes! I do that one every time we meet!
She just smiles, and I have to grin from ear to ear!
I start with bass touches and speed up intil it's all tones, then end with slaps..
The slaps are the best! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[JohnnyConga]

Sorry, the DVD is still on hold, but my all percussion CD "Breakin Skin" it's just about done...I will let everyone know when it will be available...Tks ..."JC" Johnny Conga...