Back in the 70s I swore I would never play swing tumbao again and focused exclusively on clave-based music. In the last couple of years however, my son has been playing jazz sax and I've been developing my swing tumbao in order to accompany him.
bongosnotbombs wrote:David, . . . I never said anything about clave based rhythms for Orgy in Rhythm, . . .
congamyk wrote:. . . still livin in the 50's. . . . His technique is definitely New Zealand
JohnnyConga wrote:Cal Tjader recorded over 80 albums(which I have) and there isnt any recording using what Is called a "swing tumbao"...on it..( maybe one if any)when he did Jazz it was straight up with no congas...Ray Baretto was the 'official' Conga session cat for Blue Note records, where he recorded with Wes Montgomery, Lou Donaldson and many other Jazz artists(at least over 500 recordings for Ray) and u can plainly hear Ray' "swing tumbao" or 'shuffle tumbao' however u want to describe it...chek my video here and see how I play it and the little inflections I throw in there here and there...I also agree with David that Art Blakely had no clue to clave or afro-cuban rhythms and relied heavily on Sabu Martinez to do that for him during those recordings..which I have all of them..very very few Jazz drummers in NY at that time even knew what clave was let alone understand the principles. that didnt happen until the 60's as more Cuban/Puerto Rican-Latin Jazz was being created..and even then it was all 3/2 clave...Rumba clave came years later...
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