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Re: Doubles

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:02 am
by Greensail
As a follow up on my doubles question, I have been continuing to work fairly diligently on them. We recently played a few outdoor gigs and perhaps playing a bit more free during the performance, it seems I've found space for them in my "language".
2 things - improved timing and smoothness if you will, in fills and rolls between drums, the practice has paid off. I can complete them or even make them a little more complicated, with a single hand as opposed to moving both hands to another drum. Second, I find my notes, especially slaps on the conga and especially the tumba have improved notably, which I attribute to a degree, that I vary the strike regularly if not continuously when practicing the doubles. But - I suppose this whole diatribe boils down to if you practice regularly, you improve :wink:

Re: Doubles

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:33 am
by Thomas Altmann
Thank you for your report, Greensail. That sounds encouraging.

Second, I find my notes, especially slaps on the conga and especially the tumba have improved notably


I have made the same experience. But playing floating-hand (manoteo) exercises generally had this effect. When I practice double stroke rolls (without the purpose of integrating them in my language), I usually start by playing heel-tip float units alternating (LL-RR), then at my maximum speed I just pull my hands down to the edge of the drum (open stroke position). Would you agree that that makes sense?

Thomas

Re: Doubles

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:20 pm
by Chtimulato
Thomas Altmann wrote:Thank you for your report, Greensail. That sounds encouraging.

Second, I find my notes, especially slaps on the conga and especially the tumba have improved notably


I have made the same experience. But playing floating-hand (manoteo) exercises generally had this effect. When I practice double stroke rolls (without the purpose of integrating them in my language), I usually start by playing heel-tip float units alternating (LL-RR), then at my maximum speed I just pull my hands down to the edge of the drum (open stroke position). Would you agree that that makes sense?

Thomas


I agree, Thomas, I try to do the same. Hence the importance of warming up.

Re: Doubles

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:14 pm
by Greensail
Hmmm, I don't really do it that way. Typically begin with tones, and then intersperse slaps and bass and move between drums, changing the note or drum pretty much with every strike. I shall experiment with your suggestion Thomas. I can play at a out 160bpm for 5" or so with consistency. That said, I have not been able to do a doubles roll that is anywhere near smooth, more accurately it sucks but.... I'll keep trying. I think slaps have improved because it forces you to just use the wrist with emphasis on the accuracy of hand positioning. Thank you both for the suggestions and camaraderie.

Re: Doubles

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:48 pm
by Chtimulato
Do you remember what I told about driving or speaking a foreign language ? :wink:

Re: Doubles

PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:58 pm
by Greensail
Yes sir Chtimulato, nearly everyday actually. I suspect my previous "conclusion" about practice says it all. Nonetheless, very kind regards.
PS - its evening here, I think I'll go play my drums for an hour or 2.