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Posted:
Thu Aug 26, 2004 3:40 pmby dvon
I´ve been listening to Los Van Van´s Sandunguera, and haven´t been able de identify what rhythm is it. At the begining it seems to be a Songo variation, or something like that, but definitely not the Tumbao pattern.
When the montuno starts, I can identify a Tumbao.
Can anyone tell me what are they playing?
Thanks in advance!
Posted:
Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:41 pmby Raymond
Is actually a cha-cha or "charanga" type that becomes sort of like a "guaguanco" (or what I call "straight up salsa"). Feels like a son-montuno but is not). Is not songo.
The Fania All-Stars did a cover of the song in the Bravo album (that by the way is album released around 1996 or 1997 that actually is a homage to Juan Formell the leader of Los Van Van. All the songs or most of them are former Van Van songs). This version is treated straight up like a cha-cha type. (It is sang by Adalberto Santiago).
Other opinions might follow by others...
Saludos!
Posted:
Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:08 pmby dvon
Thanks Raymond... can you please write a brief transcription of the pattern that´s actually being played, or at least of the one you belief is being played? Or can you tell me where I can find something similar? In the conga book?
Thanks!!
Posted:
Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:36 amby lido66
dvon wrote:I´ve been listening to Los Van Van´s Sandunguera, and haven´t been able de identify what rhythm is it. At the begining it seems to be a Songo variation, or something like that, but definitely not the Tumbao pattern.
When the montuno starts, I can identify a Tumbao.
Can anyone tell me what are they playing?
Thanks in advance!
btstbsto bstOOtoo
llrllrlrlrlllrll
it's a songo variant
i would guess its in tomas cruz's book
good luck
Posted:
Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:08 pmby dvon
Lido66, thanks for your reply...
Interesting... you also think it´s a songo variation, but Raymond said earlier that it wasn´t... (does anyone has another opinion?).
Only to get things clear about your notation: is the b, an h? Is it Tomás Cruz´s notation?
Thanks again!
Posted:
Tue Aug 31, 2004 1:14 amby lido66
dvon wrote:Lido66, thanks for your reply...
Interesting... you also think it´s a songo variation, but Raymond said earlier that it wasn´t... (does anyone has another opinion?).
Only to get things clear about your notation: is the b, an h? Is it Tomás Cruz´s notation?
Thanks again!
Oh sorry - yeah the B is bass, t is tips. O is tumba o is conga open tone.
I was told by yaroldy abreu that the first bar of this is a songo.
martin
Posted:
Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:24 pmby manoscalientes
lido66 wrote:dvon wrote:I´ve been listening to Los Van Van´s Sandunguera, and haven´t been able de identify what rhythm is it. At the begining it seems to be a Songo variation, or something like that, but definitely not the Tumbao pattern.
When the montuno starts, I can identify a Tumbao.
Can anyone tell me what are they playing?
Thanks in advance!
btstbsto bstOOtoo
llrllrlrlrlllrll
it's a songo variant
i would guess its in tomas cruz's book
good luck
Hello, I was using this pattern to play the song.
It Sounds very interesting, but i don't know if the trascription is ok, becouse i had to change the hands on the last part.
Use the right hand on tumba and the left for the tips on conga is more natural to me. I am doing or reading something wrong?
i changed :
<span style='font-family:Courier'>btstbsto bstOOtoo
llrllrlr lrlllrll
by
btstbsto bstOOtoo
llrllrlr lrlrrlrr</span>
Listening the song i also noted that as a variation the conguero do not play or play with light touch some notes :
<span style='font-family:Courier'>btstbs-o bstOOto-
llrllrlr lrlrrlrr
- : silence or light touch</span>
I think that is a songo variant because the second part is identical to a pattern showed by Changuito in his video/book "Historia del Songo"
Please send me any comments, i am not an expert so correct me if i am wrong. I bough my congas two years ago but i started to study with a teacher six months ago.
Posted:
Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:15 amby lido66
manoscalientes wrote:lido66 wrote:dvon wrote:I´ve been listening to Los Van Van´s Sandunguera, and haven´t been able de identify what rhythm is it. At the begining it seems to be a Songo variation, or something like that, but definitely not the Tumbao pattern.
When the montuno starts, I can identify a Tumbao.
Can anyone tell me what are they playing?
Thanks in advance!
btstbsto bstOOtoo
llrllrlrlrlllrll
it's a songo variant
i would guess its in tomas cruz's book
good luck
Hello, I was using this pattern to play the song.
It Sounds very interesting, but i don't know if the trascription is ok, becouse i had to change the hands on the last part.
Use the right hand on tumba and the left for the tips on conga is more natural to me. I am doing or reading something wrong?
Yes, sorry - I wrote it down wrong. the tumba notes should be from the right hand
thanks
martin